Virgil, how could you summarize your experience of awakening?

I was not expecting an experience; it just came like that. As far as I am concerned, it was not even an experience. I was expecting nothing. It came spontaneously, in the morning. I did not know what it was, but it was something big, immense. I had never heard of something like that before. It was beautiful, very beautiful. It was a joy. It was something else, something amazing.

Was there any fear that came up at that time?

No, no, absolutely not. It was joy, an enormous joy. I was feeling myself everywhere throughout space, I could feel everything around me, outside of the room, in the universe. It was immense, beautiful. One cannot describe it: one has to live it. It is hard to express.

It lasted several hours?

Yes. It was 5h45 when it started and went on till approximately 13h00.

You were always alone during that period of time?

In the beginning I was alone, but my wife was present after a while. But I was all the time in that state of very strong vibration. Do I have to describe all what happened, because there were so many things? I cannot describe all the phenomena and they are not important. One cannot live his daily life like ordinary human beings and live like that, it is something extraordinary.

Did you feel something different in your body?

Yes! Yes, yes. Inside, my whole body. I really had the impression that I was not alone, that I could not create this thing with my mind, impossible! “What is happening to me?” I was asking. The energy was such that I had the impression of not touching the ground. I was feeling lifted, light: a very strong vibration. And a joy! A joy! I was crying out of joy.

And in your body you were well…

Oh! Really well! Super well! I was feeling an enormous joy in my plexus, in the heart. In few minutes, my whole body was purified. And in the next two days I heard a persistent voice telling me that I should take care of my body.

When it happened, did you understand what had happened?

No, I did not know what was happening. So, I was thinking that someone was with me inside. But who? I didn’t even know that there was an inside like that! When I saw my wife later, I said: “Paulette, the Lord is with us.” She was blown, because I had never spoken about the Lord or God; I did not believe in these things.

Do you see anything that could have triggered that experience?

Nothing. While it was going on, I could not see how that could have been triggered; I was just living. Only afterward I started asking myself.

But before, were you asking yourself some questions?

Never! I did not know anything, I did not know that such a thing existed.

Did you feel like communicating with someone then?

Yes, with my wife. I asked her: “Do see anything different in me?” She said: “No, you are the same, except that your eyes are very bright.”

I had to touch my plexus often, because the energy was so strong: it was making me cry. I could see all the suffering in people: I could see inside of them. I could see them crying inside, but they were denying it. But this is a phenomenon; not important.

But later on, when Paulette saw that you were different, and when people had started to come to see you, how was she reacting then?

She was a bit upset that it had happened only to me and not to her too. Later, I told her: “If you think it is Christ who came for me, and I was just beside you, the he could have done the same to you. So, you see it has nothing to do with outside!”

Were you met with incomprehension ?

Yes, a great incomprehension. Some people moved away from me. People are attached to the mundane aspect of existence and to what they have heard about the Church and God. They asked me if I was in that state, and I told them that I wasn’t.

Your life was not the same thereafter. Maybe outside it was the same, but inside it must have been different.

Everything was changed! Everything was beautiful, magnificent. Creation is beautiful and there is nothing to complain about. I came out after it had happened: I was watching people walking or driving in the street and I saw real robots, like an automate driving another automate. I could see people always worried, closed on themselves. I was feeling their suffering inside.

At home, there was a statue made in Mexico. That very morning I was holding it in my hands and I could see where it had been made, who had made it, how it had been made, the exact place, the people working on it. I thought: “My God! What is happening to me?” So, phenomena do happen but one is no more in fear. There are many things, but I cannot tell them.

What did you do to try to integrate this?

Nothing. I left it like that. I was asking myself: “What will I do now? I cannot work like this. I was feeling as if not on this earth but rather in paradise. I told my wife that if would go a psychiatrist, he would tell me that I am crazy. If I would go to see a bishop or a cardinal, he would tell me: “I have been searching for God for my whole life and you are telling me that you’ve met him!” He would kick me out! So, I thought to just live like that and watch. I have accepted it immediately: it was beautiful. We cannot resist such a thing: there is no mind that judges, and decides what to do. I was living in that state. There was no thought, except those I mentioned, and then only because I had to go to work the next morning. But at that moment, I did not know how I would manage.

And when you came at work…

Ah! But at 13h30, the day of the opening, it was gone. I was feeling less that presence, but there remained a very strong energy; something different than what was there during the happening, but something very strong. Something very much alive. I was quiet at work. There also people moved away form me. I could not get too close, because I wasn’t speaking like before; it was over!

I came close to someone who was sick. I did not know he was sick. But I immediately told him he was sick. He denied, but I was repeated to him that he was sick. He finally recognized he had problems with his kidneys. It was producing a vertigo in me, and I was feeling like throwing up; I was feeling bad, as if I would collapse. When I was in presence of someone sick, I would feel it, because I was not well: vertigo, loosing breath, etc.

You knew immediately that it was not you but the person in front of you…

Yes! It was very clear. There was a communication inside telling me that the person was sick. It was a huge force. If the person would acknowledge it, it was coming back to normal. But if the person would deny, it was persisting. So, one cannot lie in front of someone who lives the truth. Spirituality is honesty, pure honesty. Honesty with oneself; living it. It’s the first thing. With that comes love. It’s love; that universal love is an enormous force. One cannot decide honesty, one lives it. I cannot say “I will be honest” or “I won’t”. I am that and I live it, like breathing. That’s what we are.

After your experience, did you feel there was something to adjust in your life?

No! Nothing. I knew nothing, so for a year and a half I inquired to check outside if there were people who had interest in this: I found that yes, there were magazines, books. I was visiting to books stores and I met people who were gathering together during the weekends. Sometimes I would attend these meetings. I interrogated many people, form here, from United States, from France; but after a year and a half, I realized there was nothing to look for outside, that nobody would be able to tell me what “that” was. Then I stopped searching like that. Then I started to make progress, by myself, alone.

During the following two years or so, did you experience bizarre phenomena in your body?

Yes, yes, quite a lot. But these are phenomena, and it is not so important.

I was thinking mostly of phenomena that could have led you to think that there was something wrong with your body.

Not really. It was something very pure, very clear. There was no fear, no feeling of being trapped. In any case, it was a total freedom, a joy, a clarity, a lucidity. As soon as it had happened, my life was no longer what it was before. There was no more darkness, no thought: everything was clear and present. Maybe there are other people who ask themselves questions, other forms of awakenings, but in my case it was pure and clear.

Two weeks after the opening, there was a man at work who had a problem with his knee. I knew he was sick. I told him so and he answered that he had to consult the doctor for his knee, I told him it would go away now. I touched him on the knee and he immediately fell asleep. So I tried to wake him up, I slapped him. He came back; I passed some cold water on his face and his knee was fine thereafter. He never had anymore problems with it. He felt the force, whereas I did not know that that force could do this. For me, it looked like a catastrophe in the beginning, because I did not know that something like that could happened through me!

When you realized that this sort of manifestation was happening in you, how did you adjust?

I did not want to talk about it then; I would remain quiet whenever someone would approach me. I had no interest in it. But in the beginning, yes: I thought I would help people. But then I thought: there are six billions of people on earth and what can I do? So, I was not looking for anything.

When I had the opening, I saw the colossal suffering in man. After few weeks, I said to myself: “I am not the solution for the suffering of the whole world; impossible! The whole world is suffering. I did not engage myself in that direction of wanting to save everybody. I was feeling helpless. I was just living, and still today I am living it.

Didn’t you tell me once that you had a problem and you thought it was your heart?

Many things happened, but I don’t like to talk about it, because these are phenomena and people would not understand. I don’t see why I should tell these stories. But there were many happenings, like meetings in an another dimension. When these manifestations happen there is nothing to do, because it is very pure and intelligent. There is nothing to worry about: something very intelligent is at work in us. It is us. Everything stabilizes very quickly.

One day, maybe four years after the opening, I had vertigo, while alone at home. I started to choke and I was feeling as if about to collapse. I thought that if I would dial 911 they wouldn’t even be able to come in. So I went out, as if someone was pushing me outside. It was the summer. I went crawling to the neighbor to get some help. The ambulance came. They put on me the oxygen mask and I was feeling like leaving my body. It was only one of the phenomena. The male nurse was shouting: “Wake up, sir; speak, speak!” But no, I was feeling good about leaving. They stopped the ambulance, because the heart had ceased to beat. I was so well; an enormous joy! They forced me, they yelled. It all happened in few seconds. I came back. I stayed one hour at the hospital. The doctor did not know what I had and he sent me back home. They made all kinds of test and they found nothing, nothing. When I came back home, an hour and a half after it had happened, the neighbors were still there. They said: “Oh! He’s there!” And I was coming along, saying: “Death is so beautiful!” They all thought I was crazy. Things like that happened.

Did you understand why things like that happened?

It was an energy that is always there, available in the universe, in us. It circulates in the body. It is that energy that makes one live “spirituality”. It is everywhere in the universe. I mean here: the universe is here! I constantly feel it moving in me. It goes through the head. At that time it must have been stuck somewhere and it created that incident. But it was not a disease.

It is only when that energy becomes manifest that people can live spirituality. It is all energy. Without this energy, there would be no Buddha, no Christ, no Dalai Lama.

Another time, something a little bit similar had happened and my wife had call the doctor. But he told me that I was really well. I asked him how he could tell. He answered that he could tell by looking at my finger nails. He said that he would love to have finger nails like mine: very beautiful, pink. He said that I was in perfect health. Then things like that never happened again. Maybe it had stabilized, I don’t know. But many things happen after an opening: one is not the same. One doesn’t live anymore on a mundane level and in that daily suffering. It is a total freedom, a joy.

I just live like that. I see people the way they are and I have no choice, if they want to live like that. I thought to retire in solitude. But there was always someone calling me, who needed help. So, I thought it would be selfish to retire in solitude. I would love to see that people would have that thing, that they would have interest in it, that they would live it. But how to tell them? I’m telling you, this is real, it is serious.

But did you see an evolution after your opening?

Yes. For a year and a half, I was very attached to the opening. I was thinking of it and a very strong emotion would come up. I would cry and cry. I was feeling the human suffering. But one evening, around 21h00, I thought that I was fed up with asking myself what had happened the day of the opening. It was over, it was dead. I saw that I was still dreaming! I was attached to the idea of the opening. I thought: “This is false, it is over! It was the truth when it happened, but not today! Today I am in my imagination.” So, I dropped everything and I went to sleep!

At 3hoo, I woke up. Something was communicated through my body. I was feeling so light, full of energy, of force, almost like the first opening! I had the impression of not touching the bed. It was telling me: “You see: why were you struggling? There is nothing to see in what has happened.” I was feeling strongly that I only had to live in the present. So, I did not have anymore these interrogations about awakening; and I made very swift progress thereafter. Everything is in the truth of the very moment, in what we see, what we know. It was as if I had never seen the world around me before.

How did you see that you were progressing?

I’ll give you an example. I used to go to the supermarket and before it was heavy going in there. But after that realization —a year and a half after the opening— immediately after, I thought I was in another world: “Where do these things come from, what are they selling?” Before, I was not seeing that. But there was something clear now. I was seeing that it was people who had produced that, the Earth, nature! I was not seeing before that. Where was I, that I was not seeing? I even asked my wife: “Was it like that before?” She said: “Yes, you were passing by with me.”

So, that’s man’s blindness. He doesn’t see his immediate environment. He would rather look ten years behind, make plans for the future, but he doesn’t see this very moment! But everything had become so clear. I immediately changed and it was over. I could really see the spring, the summer, the plants, the animals. The Earth is a paradise, here! The ideas of past and future were finished, there remained only the present. If I would tell you, you would not believe.

I would advise those who had an opening to never entertain fear, if they have some. They should stick to themselves and not be influenced by others, who will tell them all kinds of things, especially the clairvoyants, the card readers and others like that. Don't listen to such people; listen to yourself. They should listen to themselves. And they should not hang on to what has happened; rather, they should live each moment.

Then you know yourself and you know everything outside. Even “commonplace” things are new every day. At that time, it does not come to you anymore that thoughts should guide you. One can read bookd, but only to see what one knows. Otherwise, we don't learn anything in books: they are only there as witnesses, that's all.

It is a letting go. You never learn anything by forcing. When there is a conflict with something outside, don’t take position. Don’t judge: don't judge anybody. But I strongly see the injustices in this world: man who exploits man, who makes him suffer.

This is what should be taught to children at school. Those who are interested in spirituality should persevere. They will make it. Everyone can make it. But one has to persevere and not let oneself be taken by those gurus and all that nonsense. It is possible that some of them see the truth, but watch in general how they still catch people and what they do to them.

I have seen it!

It’s bad. I want to tell people that they should be careful with this energy, because they can use it negatively. And then it will be worse. If you let it act, you will grow, but if you use it, you will become a monster, an evil person.

Man should be totally free by himself. We are all that source. It is here!